The truth is out there... sometimes... maybe... well, Hine and Buckley just aren't sure. UFOs, UAPs, Flying Saucers, Alien Spacecraft, whatever you think they are, you don't know for sure - and if you think you do know for sure, it's a sure sign you don't.

What you do know for sure is that you are told a lot of different things about them by a lot of different people: abductees spinning stories of high strangeness, senators pressuring whistle-blowers for information in congress, devoutly religious authors telling tales of angels and demons, folklorists and scholars of comparative religion painting vivid pictures of ancient beings dressed up in the skin of Technicolor sci-fi nightmares... no-one agrees and everyone is out to prove that their interpretation is the right interpretation - but what does any of it actually mean?

In this episode Hine and Buckley don't analyse the verisimilitude of the stories of the veracity of the storytellers but instead examine the discourse around the phenomena or more accurately the discourse around the discourse around UFOs. The mechanisms with which people might think about this topic and the reasons that they may think in that way.

The conversation around UFOs is big business, a lot of people making a lot of money - but who are these people and what happens to that money? Where did it all start? Was it Peter Lavenda that stealthily laid the ground work over the last 50 years to shape the UFO movement as we know it today? Why would people lie about this stuff? Why should you believe some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of the existential crisis that UFOs pose anymore than you should trust some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of vaccines and their link to childhood autism?... and if the people who are trying to take control of the discourse are lying, overly-gullible or deluded, then is there really any truth out there at all? (recorded 23 April 2026)

Whitley Strieber - Wikipedia
UFOlogy - Wikipedia
2 Navy Airmen and an Object That 'Accelerated Like Nothing, I've Seen' - New York Times (Pay Wall)
Pentagon UFO Videos - Wikipedia
To the Stars
Peter Lavenda - Wikipedia
Sinister Forces by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Tom DeLonge - Wikipedia
Jim Semivan - The Sol Foundation
Hal Puthoff - Wikipedia
Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia
The Necronomicon: A Study of Ancient Ritual Magic and Esoteric Grimoire Traditions by Simon - Goodreads
[HP Lovecraft - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft)
VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny
Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon: The Untold Story of Lovecraft's Stolen Grimoire by Simon - Goodreads
Ong's Hat
Sekret Machines by Tom DeLonge and Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Penny Royal Podcast
The Collins Elite/Final Events - Wikipedia
Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia
Helena Blavatsky - Wikipedia
Anton LaVey - Wikipedia
Brandon Sanderson - Wikipedia
Hellier - Youtube
Hyperstition - Wikipedia
ARG - Wikipedia
Kayfabe - Wikipedia
LARPing - Wikipedia
Andrew Collins
Synchronicity - Wikipedia
Cosmic Trigger - Wikipedia
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia
Chapel Perilous - Wikipedia
JFK Assassination - Wikipedia
AP Strange
Steph Quick
Rob Reiner - Who Killed JFK? Podcast
Occam's Razor - Wikipedia
Capitalism - Wikipedia
MrBeast - Wikipedia
Extraterrestrial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Psychosocial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
VYS0054 | You Can't Make An Omelette Without Breaking A Few Egregores - Vayse to Face with Joshua Cutchin
Joshua Cutchin
Demonic UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Diamond Sutra - Wikipedia
Mayahna
Buddhism and Quantum Mechanics by Michael Behrens - Sience and Non-Duality
Reality in Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Matrix
The Matrix Trailer - Youtube
UFO of God: The Extraordinary True Story of Chris Bledsoe by Chris Bledsoe
Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia
Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia
Meditation - Wikipedia
Flow State - Wikipedia
Mindfulness - Wikipedia
Elon Musk - Wikipedia
Jeff Bezos - Wikipedia
Count to a Billion (How I began to grasp the atrocity of Musk) by Susan Duerksen - The Jumping Off Place
Amazon Breaks Record For Lobbyist Spending Amid Anti-Union Drive by Jordan Zakarin - perfectunion.us
Predator - Wikipedia
Predator Trailer - Youtube
Saul Hudson (Slash)
Slash by Slash and Anthony Bozza - Goodreads
Philip K Dick - Wikipedia
John Nash - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind by Sylvia Nasar - Goodreads
A Beautiful Mind (Film) - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind Trailer - Youtube
Joan of Arc - Wikipedia
The Schizophrenia of Joan of Arc by Clifford Allen
Schizophrenia - Wikipedia
Temperal Lobe Epilepsy - Wikipedia
Focal Seizures - Epilepsy Action (British Epilepsy Association)
living with the rarest form of epilepsy - reddit
Is AI Really Just a Tool? It Could Be Altering How You See Reality by University of Exeter - Sci-tech Daily
Mirage Men - Wikipedia
Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads
Mirage Men Trailer - Youtube
VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
L Ron Hubbard - Wikipedia
L. Ron Hubbard's 5 Most Impressive Lies (Besides Scientology) by Kristi Harrison - Cracked
Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia
Laurens van der Post - Wikipedia
More myth than man by JDF Jones - The Guardian
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P. Hansen
Voices for Vaccines - Website which helps de-bunk harmful misinformation about Vaccines
Autism, Vaccines and Immunization - Autism Today - debunking misinformation about the link between childhood autism and vaccines - spoilers: there isn't a link
VYSXXXX | The Real Vayse: Halloween 2024

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Artist, poet, noise maker, purveyor of queer-electro-folk-punk and fellow northerner, OORYA, joins Hine and Buckley in an explosion of joy, weirdness and super-infectious hyper-manipulation of the English Language. OORYA explains their unique view of the "Vinyl Universe", how they dance with the great ping-ping to make their life more magical and how you can do the same, how their live performances become a channeling of their deepest spine, how licking the void is an essential part of levelling up, what it means to them to be a queer artist... and prepare to receive some sonic healing from their beautiful vocal stims... (Recorded 25 June 2024)

Thanks to OORYA for giving so much of their time and patience - do yourself a favour and seek out their music as soon as possible.

And thanks, as always to Keith for the wonderful show notes - go on, you know that you want to give him a follow: @peakflow.bsky.social

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Hine’s Intro

What is OCD? - Mind
The ADHD Adults Podcast - Domestic Anxiety

Vayse to Face with OORYA

Is the X-Files anyone else's comfort show? - Reddit
David Lynch explains Transcendental Meditation - YouTube
Catching the Big Fish: Meditation, Consciousness, and Creativity by David Lynch - Goodreads
Nick Cave on Music, Mystery, and the Relationship Between Vulnerability and Freedom - The Marginalian
VYS0039 | Try Not To Be A Dick Shall Be The Whole Of The Law - Vayse to Face with Duncan Barford
How to Talk to Trees: Communicating With Tree Spirits - Holly Worton
What is a Hedge Witch? - Wicca Now
Menai Bridge - Visit Anglesey
OORYA’s ‘Voice memos Vols 1 & 2’ album - Bandcamp
OORYA’s ‘I awoke’ track - Bandcamp
OORYA’s ‘Fireshrine’ track - Bandcamp
Simon "Ding" Archer - Wikipedia
6db Studio, Salford
Rimbaud's Systematic Derangement of the Senses - Language is a Virus
VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse, Population 2
Hellier Season 2: Episode 10 - Night of Pan
The Archetype of Initiation: Sacred Space, Ritual Process, and Personal Transformation by Robert L Moore - Goodreads
What To Know About Past Life Regression Therapy - MindBodyGreen
Eternalism (philosophy of time) - Wikipedia
Sigil - Wikipedia
The Shamanic Journey - Shaman Links
Life as RPG: Living, Leveling, and Beating Bosses in the Real World - Intelli.game
Everything To Know About Ego Death - MindBodyGreen
OORYA’s ‘Irons’ track - Bandcamp
Season of the Witch: How the Occult Saved Rock and Roll by Peter Bebergal - Goodreads
VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny
VYS0028 | Psychic Jizz - Vayse to Face with Stephanie Quick
Sex magic - Wikipedia
The Buddhist Metta (Lovingkindness) Prayer - Buddha Grove
Cool Runnings - Wikipedia
Do you wanna kiss my egg? (Cool Runnings excerpt) - YouTube
Bibliomancy - Wikipedia
Dispatches from Elsewhere - Wikipedia
Dispatches From Elsewhere Trailer - YouTube
The Jejune Institute - Wikipedia
Alternate reality game - Wikipedia
“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in”: The story of Leonard Cohen’s ‘Anthem’ - Quartz
VALIS by Philip K. Dick - Goodreads
Disclosure (documentary on transgender depictions in film and tv)
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective - Transgender portrayal - Wikipedia

OORYA’s Recommendations

They: A Sequence of Unease by Kay Dick - Goodreads
Freedom: Medicine Words for Your Brave Revolution by Jaiya John - Goodreads
Waking Life (2001) Official Trailer - YouTube
The Tibetan Yogas Of Dream And Sleep by Tènzin Wangyal Rinpoché - Goodreads
The Blindboy Podcast

Buckley’s Closing Question

Best Of Agent Mulder | THE X-FILES - YouTube

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