The truth is out there... sometimes... maybe... well, Hine and Buckley just aren't sure. UFOs, UAPs, Flying Saucers, Alien Spacecraft, whatever you think they are, you don't know for sure - and if you think you do know for sure, it's a sure sign you don't.

What you do know for sure is that you are told a lot of different things about them by a lot of different people: abductees spinning stories of high strangeness, senators pressuring whistle-blowers for information in congress, devoutly religious authors telling tales of angels and demons, folklorists and scholars of comparative religion painting vivid pictures of ancient beings dressed up in the skin of Technicolor sci-fi nightmares... no-one agrees and everyone is out to prove that their interpretation is the right interpretation - but what does any of it actually mean?

In this episode Hine and Buckley don't analyse the verisimilitude of the stories or the veracity of the storytellers but instead examine the discourse around the phenomena or more accurately the discourse around the discourse around UFOs. The mechanisms with which people might think about this topic and the reasons that they may think in that way.

The conversation around UFOs is big business, a lot of people making a lot of money - but who are these people and what happens to that money? Where did it all start? Was it Peter Levenda that stealthily laid the ground work over the last 50 years to shape the UFO movement as we know it today? Why would people lie about this stuff? Why should you believe some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of the existential crisis that UFOs pose anymore than you should trust some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of vaccines and their link to childhood autism?... and if the people who are trying to take control of the discourse are lying, overly-gullible or deluded, then is there really any truth out there at all? (recorded 23 April 2026)

Whitley Strieber - Wikipedia
UFOlogy - Wikipedia
2 Navy Airmen and an Object That 'Accelerated Like Nothing, I've Seen' - New York Times (Pay Wall)
Pentagon UFO Videos - Wikipedia
To the Stars
Peter Levenda - Wikipedia
Sinister Forces by Peter Levenda - Goodreads
Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Tom DeLonge - Wikipedia
Jim Semivan - The Sol Foundation
Hal Puthoff - Wikipedia
Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia
The Necronomicon: A Study of Ancient Ritual Magic and Esoteric Grimoire Traditions by Simon - Goodreads
HP Lovecraft - Wikipedia
VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny
Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon: The Untold Story of Lovecraft's Stolen Grimoire by Simon - Goodreads
Ong's Hat
Sekret Machines by Tom DeLonge and Peter Levenda - Goodreads
Penny Royal Podcast
The Collins Elite/Final Events - Wikipedia
Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia
Helena Blavatsky - Wikipedia
Anton LaVey - Wikipedia
Brandon Sanderson - Wikipedia
Hellier - Youtube
Hyperstition - Wikipedia
ARG - Wikipedia
Kayfabe - Wikipedia
LARPing - Wikipedia
Andrew Collins
Synchronicity - Wikipedia
Cosmic Trigger - Wikipedia
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia
Chapel Perilous - Wikipedia
JFK Assassination - Wikipedia
AP Strange
Steph Quick
Rob Reiner - Who Killed JFK? Podcast
Occam's Razor - Wikipedia
Capitalism - Wikipedia
MrBeast - Wikipedia
Extraterrestrial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Psychosocial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
VYS0054 | You Can't Make An Omelette Without Breaking A Few Egregores - Vayse to Face with Joshua Cutchin
Joshua Cutchin
Demonic UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Diamond Sutra - Wikipedia
Mayahna
Buddhism and Quantum Mechanics by Michael Behrens - Sience and Non-Duality
Reality in Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Matrix
The Matrix Trailer - Youtube
UFO of God: The Extraordinary True Story of Chris Bledsoe by Chris Bledsoe
Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia
Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia
Meditation - Wikipedia
Flow State - Wikipedia
Mindfulness - Wikipedia
Elon Musk - Wikipedia
Jeff Bezos - Wikipedia
Count to a Billion (How I began to grasp the atrocity of Musk) by Susan Duerksen - The Jumping Off Place
Amazon Breaks Record For Lobbyist Spending Amid Anti-Union Drive by Jordan Zakarin - perfectunion.us
Predator - Wikipedia
Predator Trailer - Youtube
Saul Hudson (Slash)
Slash by Slash and Anthony Bozza - Goodreads
Philip K Dick - Wikipedia
John Nash - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind by Sylvia Nasar - Goodreads
A Beautiful Mind (Film) - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind Trailer - Youtube
Joan of Arc - Wikipedia
The Schizophrenia of Joan of Arc by Clifford Allen
Schizophrenia - Wikipedia
Temperal Lobe Epilepsy - Wikipedia
Focal Seizures - Epilepsy Action (British Epilepsy Association)
living with the rarest form of epilepsy - reddit
Is AI Really Just a Tool? It Could Be Altering How You See Reality by University of Exeter - Sci-tech Daily
Mirage Men - Wikipedia
Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads
Mirage Men Trailer - Youtube
VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
L Ron Hubbard - Wikipedia
L. Ron Hubbard's 5 Most Impressive Lies (Besides Scientology) by Kristi Harrison - Cracked
Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia
Laurens van der Post - Wikipedia
More myth than man by JDF Jones - The Guardian
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P. Hansen
Voices for Vaccines - Website which helps de-bunk harmful misinformation about Vaccines
Autism, Vaccines and Immunization - Autism Today - debunking misinformation about the link between childhood autism and vaccines - spoilers: there isn't a link
VYSXXXX | The Real Vayse: Halloween 2024

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As if Magonia and the Mothman weren't weird enough, in the second part of this two-part exploration of the Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis, Hine and Buckley discuss the connections between the phenomena and ritual magic by way of Allen Greenfield's secret cipher, Aleister Crowley's book of the Law and Jack Parson and L. Ron Hubbard's Babalon Working, which may or may not have opened and left open a gateway to another world... Recorded 21 July 2022.

The Texts (We will be discussing these books in depth in VYS0004 and VYS0005)

Mothman Prophecies by John Keel
Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallée
The Complete Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts by Allen Greenfield

Other References

Penny Royal
Allen Greenfield appearance on Consensus Unreality podcast
Allen Greenfield appearance on The Farm podcast
Allen Greenfield on Twitter - Worth following, he posts a lot of links to weird news stories and his comments are hilarious
Yeezus by Kanye West – Not going to post a link because he can get litigious and we don't need that kind of heat. A truly awesome album and unlike anything else, he was definitely channelling something…
What Magic is This? - "Aleister Crowley – The Myth and the New Aeon with Richard T. Cole"
The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley
Liber el Vel Bogus by Richard T Cole
Spirit Box – #11 Marco Visconti
The Philip Experiment - 1972 parapsychology experiment to summon a spirit whose history was entirely fictional
A drawing of Lam by Crowley this was the entity that contacted Crowley during the The Amalantrah Workings
Communion by Whitley Strieber
The English Qaballa - Wikipedia link (I know, but we're very busy and so are you...)
The Magickal Language of the Book of the Law: An English Qaballa Primer by Cath Thompson
The Secret Cipher of the UFOnauts online calculator - give it a go for yourself
Hellier – if we haven't said this enough yet just watch this show
Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons by John Carter (check)
Strange Angel – a TV series and book about Jack Parsons
Stuff They Don't Want You To Know - Sex Cults and Rocket Science: The Jack Parsons Story
The Secret History of Twin Peaks by Mark Frost
VALIS by Philip K Dick
The Eighth Tower by John Keel
I Am Alive and You Are Dead: A Journey into the Mind of Philip K. Dick by Emmanuel Carrère
Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson
Aleister Crowley and the Aeon of Horus by Paul Weston
X-Files – Jose Chung’s From Outer Space (Season 3, Episode 20)
Time Loops by Eric Wargo
Liminal Dreaming: Exploring Consciousness at the Edges of Sleep by Jennifer Dumpert
Oneohtrix Point Never
Agnes Obel
Field lines Cartographer – Dreamtides
Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know
What Magic is This?
Spirit Box

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