The first Vayse interview of 2026 is with someone that Hine and Buckley have wanted to interview for years, it's none other than Charlie Claire Burgess! As an author and artist working at the intersection of spirituality and queerness, Charlie has written two of the most original and powerful spiritual books of the decade, Radical Tarot and Queer Devotion and has created the Fifth Spirit Tarot Deck, the Gay Marseille Tarot deck and has a third deck, the Aquarius Rising Oracle Deck in the works.

Charlie was super generous with their time and ideas, talking about how tarot was their rebellion against a conservative religious upbringing, how their attempt at conforming with societal norms and expectations left them searching for more and how discovering the way in which their magic and queerness is intertwined led them to finding themselves, others like them and a new direction in life.

The conversation also wanders through Charlie's process in creating the Fifth Spirit Tarot, the importance of self-expression, individuality and authenticity, the magick which can arise from embracing chaos and uncertainty... and why it's always a good time to embrace your inner-teen-goth... (Recorded 15 January 2026)

Charlie's Links

Queer Devotion by Charlie Claire Burgess
Radical Tarot by Charlie Claire Burgess
Fifth Spirit Tarot
The Gay Marseille Tarot
The Aquarius Rising Oracle
Charlie's Website
Charlie's Instagram
Charlie's Bluesky
Charlie's Substack

Charlie's Origin Story

The Craft - Wikipedia
The Craft Trailer - Youtube
Buffy The Vampire Slayer - Wikipedia
Rider Waite Smith Tarot - Wikipedia
Wicca - Wikipedia
Shamanism - Wikipedia
Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America by Margot Adler - Good Reads
Spiral Dance by Star Hawk - Good Reads

Radical Tarot

Fifth Spirit Tarot Images
TransActual
Advocates for Trans Equality
Glossary of Must-Know Sexual Identity Terms by Daniella Amato - VeryWellMind.com
How to Navigate Your Own Privilege by Akeem Marsh, MD - VeryWellMind.com
Learning How to Fall, Or, How Getting Relentlessly Thrown on My Ass Helped Me Learn to Love the Wheel by Charlie Claire Burgess - WordWitch.com
Why we're so terrified of the unknown by David Robson - BBC
The Word Witch Podcast

Queer Devotion

Neoliberalism - Wikipedia
Nationalism - Wikipedia
Individualism - Wikipedia
Community - Wikipedia
‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline by James Ball - The Guardian
How the world loved the swastika - until Hitler stole it by Mukti Jain Campion - BBC News
Cancel Culture - Wikipedia
The dark side of wellness: the overlap between spiritual thinking and far-right conspiracies by Eva Wiseman - the Guardian
Neil Gaiman: accuser files civil lawsuit alleging rape, sexual assault and human trafficking by Sian Cain - the Guardian
JK Rowling says loved ones ‘begged’ her to keep trans views to herself by Ellie Muir - the Independant
Sappho - Wikipedia
Hymn to Aphrodite by Sappho - Translated from Ancient Greek by Katie Byford - Modern Poetry in Translation
A Guide to Being a Trans Ally - LGBT Foundation
10 Ways to Be An LGBTQ+ Ally - BBC
Tarot for Hope by Charlie Claire Burgess
Persecution of transgender people under the second Trump administration - Wikipedia
Anti-transgender legislation accelerates in early 2026 by Alexandra Martinez - Prism

Charlie's Recommendations

Hades - Wikipedia
Orphic Hymns - Wikipedia
Confessions of the Fox by Jordy Rosenberg - Good Reads
Jordy Rosenberg's Website

Vayse online

Website
Twitter
Bluesky
Instagram
Bandcamp (Music From Vayse)
Ko-Fi
Email: vayseinfo@gmail.com

Special Guest: Charlie Claire Burgess.

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Artist, poet, noise maker, purveyor of queer-electro-folk-punk and fellow northerner, OORYA, joins Hine and Buckley in an explosion of joy, weirdness and super-infectious hyper-manipulation of the English Language. OORYA explains their unique view of the "Vinyl Universe", how they dance with the great ping-ping to make their life more magical and how you can do the same, how their live performances become a channeling of their deepest spine, how licking the void is an essential part of levelling up, what it means to them to be a queer artist... and prepare to receive some sonic healing from their beautiful vocal stims... (Recorded 25 June 2024)

Thanks to OORYA for giving so much of their time and patience - do yourself a favour and seek out their music as soon as possible.

And thanks, as always to Keith for the wonderful show notes - go on, you know that you want to give him a follow: @peakflow.bsky.social

OORYA online

OORYA on Instagram
OORYA’s website (Join up to their mailing list here!)
OORYA on YouTube
OORYA on Bandcamp

Hine’s Intro

What is OCD? - Mind
The ADHD Adults Podcast - Domestic Anxiety

Vayse to Face with OORYA

Is the X-Files anyone else's comfort show? - Reddit
David Lynch explains Transcendental Meditation - YouTube
Catching the Big Fish: Meditation, Consciousness, and Creativity by David Lynch - Goodreads
Nick Cave on Music, Mystery, and the Relationship Between Vulnerability and Freedom - The Marginalian
VYS0039 | Try Not To Be A Dick Shall Be The Whole Of The Law - Vayse to Face with Duncan Barford
How to Talk to Trees: Communicating With Tree Spirits - Holly Worton
What is a Hedge Witch? - Wicca Now
Menai Bridge - Visit Anglesey
OORYA’s ‘Voice memos Vols 1 & 2’ album - Bandcamp
OORYA’s ‘I awoke’ track - Bandcamp
OORYA’s ‘Fireshrine’ track - Bandcamp
Simon "Ding" Archer - Wikipedia
6db Studio, Salford
Rimbaud's Systematic Derangement of the Senses - Language is a Virus
VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse, Population 2
Hellier Season 2: Episode 10 - Night of Pan
The Archetype of Initiation: Sacred Space, Ritual Process, and Personal Transformation by Robert L Moore - Goodreads
What To Know About Past Life Regression Therapy - MindBodyGreen
Eternalism (philosophy of time) - Wikipedia
Sigil - Wikipedia
The Shamanic Journey - Shaman Links
Life as RPG: Living, Leveling, and Beating Bosses in the Real World - Intelli.game
Everything To Know About Ego Death - MindBodyGreen
OORYA’s ‘Irons’ track - Bandcamp
Season of the Witch: How the Occult Saved Rock and Roll by Peter Bebergal - Goodreads
VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny
VYS0028 | Psychic Jizz - Vayse to Face with Stephanie Quick
Sex magic - Wikipedia
The Buddhist Metta (Lovingkindness) Prayer - Buddha Grove
Cool Runnings - Wikipedia
Do you wanna kiss my egg? (Cool Runnings excerpt) - YouTube
Bibliomancy - Wikipedia
Dispatches from Elsewhere - Wikipedia
Dispatches From Elsewhere Trailer - YouTube
The Jejune Institute - Wikipedia
Alternate reality game - Wikipedia
“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in”: The story of Leonard Cohen’s ‘Anthem’ - Quartz
VALIS by Philip K. Dick - Goodreads
Disclosure (documentary on transgender depictions in film and tv)
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective - Transgender portrayal - Wikipedia

OORYA’s Recommendations

They: A Sequence of Unease by Kay Dick - Goodreads
Freedom: Medicine Words for Your Brave Revolution by Jaiya John - Goodreads
Waking Life (2001) Official Trailer - YouTube
The Tibetan Yogas Of Dream And Sleep by Tènzin Wangyal Rinpoché - Goodreads
The Blindboy Podcast

Buckley’s Closing Question

Best Of Agent Mulder | THE X-FILES - YouTube

Vayse Online

Vayse website
Vayse on Twitter/X
Vayse on Instagram
Vayse on Bandcamp (Music From Vayse Vols 1 & 2)
Vayse on Ko-Fi
Vayse email: vayseinfo@gmail.com

Special Guest: OORYA.

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