The truth is out there... sometimes... maybe... well, Hine and Buckley just aren't sure. UFOs, UAPs, Flying Saucers, Alien Spacecraft, whatever you think they are, you don't know for sure - and if you think you do know for sure, it's a sure sign you don't.

What you do know for sure is that you are told a lot of different things about them by a lot of different people: abductees spinning stories of high strangeness, senators pressuring whistle-blowers for information in congress, devoutly religious authors telling tales of angels and demons, folklorists and scholars of comparative religion painting vivid pictures of ancient beings dressed up in the skin of Technicolor sci-fi nightmares... no-one agrees and everyone is out to prove that their interpretation is the right interpretation - but what does any of it actually mean?

In this episode Hine and Buckley don't analyse the verisimilitude of the stories of the veracity of the storytellers but instead examine the discourse around the phenomena or more accurately the discourse around the discourse around UFOs. The mechanisms with which people might think about this topic and the reasons that they may think in that way.

The conversation around UFOs is big business, a lot of people making a lot of money - but who are these people and what happens to that money? Where did it all start? Was it Peter Lavenda that stealthily laid the ground work over the last 50 years to shape the UFO movement as we know it today? Why would people lie about this stuff? Why should you believe some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of the existential crisis that UFOs pose anymore than you should trust some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of vaccines and their link to childhood autism?... and if the people who are trying to take control of the discourse are lying, overly-gullible or deluded, then is there really any truth out there at all? (recorded 23 April 2026)

Whitley Strieber - Wikipedia
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2 Navy Airmen and an Object That 'Accelerated Like Nothing, I've Seen' - New York Times (Pay Wall)
Pentagon UFO Videos - Wikipedia
To the Stars
Peter Lavenda - Wikipedia
Sinister Forces by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
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Jim Semivan - The Sol Foundation
Hal Puthoff - Wikipedia
Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia
The Necronomicon: A Study of Ancient Ritual Magic and Esoteric Grimoire Traditions by Simon - Goodreads
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Ong's Hat
Sekret Machines by Tom DeLonge and Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
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Anton LaVey - Wikipedia
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Hellier - Youtube
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ARG - Wikipedia
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LARPing - Wikipedia
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Synchronicity - Wikipedia
Cosmic Trigger - Wikipedia
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia
Chapel Perilous - Wikipedia
JFK Assassination - Wikipedia
AP Strange
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Rob Reiner - Who Killed JFK? Podcast
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Psychosocial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
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Joshua Cutchin
Demonic UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
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The Diamond Sutra - Wikipedia
Mayahna
Buddhism and Quantum Mechanics by Michael Behrens - Sience and Non-Duality
Reality in Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Matrix
The Matrix Trailer - Youtube
UFO of God: The Extraordinary True Story of Chris Bledsoe by Chris Bledsoe
Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia
Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia
Meditation - Wikipedia
Flow State - Wikipedia
Mindfulness - Wikipedia
Elon Musk - Wikipedia
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Count to a Billion (How I began to grasp the atrocity of Musk) by Susan Duerksen - The Jumping Off Place
Amazon Breaks Record For Lobbyist Spending Amid Anti-Union Drive by Jordan Zakarin - perfectunion.us
Predator - Wikipedia
Predator Trailer - Youtube
Saul Hudson (Slash)
Slash by Slash and Anthony Bozza - Goodreads
Philip K Dick - Wikipedia
John Nash - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind by Sylvia Nasar - Goodreads
A Beautiful Mind (Film) - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind Trailer - Youtube
Joan of Arc - Wikipedia
The Schizophrenia of Joan of Arc by Clifford Allen
Schizophrenia - Wikipedia
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Focal Seizures - Epilepsy Action (British Epilepsy Association)
living with the rarest form of epilepsy - reddit
Is AI Really Just a Tool? It Could Be Altering How You See Reality by University of Exeter - Sci-tech Daily
Mirage Men - Wikipedia
Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads
Mirage Men Trailer - Youtube
VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
L Ron Hubbard - Wikipedia
L. Ron Hubbard's 5 Most Impressive Lies (Besides Scientology) by Kristi Harrison - Cracked
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Laurens van der Post - Wikipedia
More myth than man by JDF Jones - The Guardian
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P. Hansen
Voices for Vaccines - Website which helps de-bunk harmful misinformation about Vaccines
Autism, Vaccines and Immunization - Autism Today - debunking misinformation about the link between childhood autism and vaccines - spoilers: there isn't a link
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If you don't know Mark Pilkington by name, chances are you will be familiar with some of his work: he's the author of the seminal history of deception and misinformation throughout the history of the UFO phenomenon, Mirage Men, and producer of the documentary of the same name, he runs Strange Attractor Press, the diverse, beloved and well respected counterculture publisher, he's a journalist, having written for the Fortean Times, the Guardian and Bizarre Magazine amongst others, and he also records and performs music with Teleplamsiste, Luminous Foundation and the Begotten. In this episode Hine and Buckley chat to Mark about the legacy of Mirage Men, which is having a moment again with the tenth anniversary of the documentary falling this year, the recent release of the audiobook and continued favourable nods in the occultosphere and beyond. The conversation also takes turns into the way misinformation is now a pervasive part of our everyday lives, Mark's ideas about the nature of the phenomenon itself and his experiences as a crop circle hoaxer... recorded 7 March 2023

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An Overview of Project Serpo
The Haunted Objects Podcast
Parcast Unexplained Mysteries - UFOs and the Mirage Men pt.1
Parcast Unexplained Mysteries - UFOs and the Mirage Men pt.2
HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis
Wikipedia entry for John Lundberg
Laughlin UFO Mega Conference on Facebook
IMDB entry for Richard Doty
Wikipedia entry for Paul Bennewitz
Wikipedia Entry for the Roswell Incident
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BBC News Article about the U-2 Bomber and Area 51
History Channel Article on Black Triangle UFOs
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Popular Science Article - The stealth helicopters used in the 2011 raid on Osama Bin Laden are still cloaked in mystery
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Usborne Guide to the Supernatural World by E Maple - a steal at £300
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Wikipedia entry on Norman Tebbit
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Circle Makers Website
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How Stuff Works Article on the Maury Island UFO Incident
Wikipedia article on Antônio Vilas-Boas
The Malingerer
Wikipedia entry on the 2023 Chinese Weather Balloon Incident
NASA Echo 1 Balloon Picture
Time Magazine Article on Robert Bigelow and his donations to Ron DeSantis
UFO's (It Has Begun) Past, Present, and Future Documentary
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Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy
Into The Fringe: A True Story of Alien Abduction by Dr Karla Turner
Wikipedia article on Siphonophorae
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The Doors of Perception: And Heaven and Hell by Aldous Huxley
Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky by CG Jung
The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered about UFO Influence on the Human Race by Jacques Vallee
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P Hansen
Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson
Hellier - you know the score
The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel
Communion: A True Story by Whitley Strieber
Communion Trailer
The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by Edward J. Ruppelt
The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community by Jack Brewer
The Secret Life of Puppets by Victoria Nelson
Mutants and Mystics by Jeffrey J. Kripal
Authors of the Impossible: The Paranormal and the Sacred by Jeffrey J. Kripal
Chameleo by Robert Guffey
Vision of The Hawk by The Art of Arik Moonhawk Roper
Cabarets of Death by Mel Gordon - coming soon from Strange Attractor Press
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