The truth is out there... sometimes... maybe... well, Hine and Buckley just aren't sure. UFOs, UAPs, Flying Saucers, Alien Spacecraft, whatever you think they are, you don't know for sure - and if you think you do know for sure, it's a sure sign you don't.

What you do know for sure is that you are told a lot of different things about them by a lot of different people: abductees spinning stories of high strangeness, senators pressuring whistle-blowers for information in congress, devoutly religious authors telling tales of angels and demons, folklorists and scholars of comparative religion painting vivid pictures of ancient beings dressed up in the skin of Technicolor sci-fi nightmares... no-one agrees and everyone is out to prove that their interpretation is the right interpretation - but what does any of it actually mean?

In this episode Hine and Buckley don't analyse the verisimilitude of the stories or the veracity of the storytellers but instead examine the discourse around the phenomena or more accurately the discourse around the discourse around UFOs. The mechanisms with which people might think about this topic and the reasons that they may think in that way.

The conversation around UFOs is big business, a lot of people making a lot of money - but who are these people and what happens to that money? Where did it all start? Was it Peter Levenda that stealthily laid the ground work over the last 50 years to shape the UFO movement as we know it today? Why would people lie about this stuff? Why should you believe some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of the existential crisis that UFOs pose anymore than you should trust some conspiracy theorist warning you of the terrible dangers of vaccines and their link to childhood autism?... and if the people who are trying to take control of the discourse are lying, overly-gullible or deluded, then is there really any truth out there at all? (recorded 23 April 2026)

Whitley Strieber - Wikipedia
UFOlogy - Wikipedia
2 Navy Airmen and an Object That 'Accelerated Like Nothing, I've Seen' - New York Times (Pay Wall)
Pentagon UFO Videos - Wikipedia
To the Stars
Peter Levenda - Wikipedia
Sinister Forces by Peter Levenda - Goodreads
Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult by Peter Lavenda - Goodreads
Tom DeLonge - Wikipedia
Jim Semivan - The Sol Foundation
Hal Puthoff - Wikipedia
Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia
The Necronomicon: A Study of Ancient Ritual Magic and Esoteric Grimoire Traditions by Simon - Goodreads
HP Lovecraft - Wikipedia
VYS0036 | Infinite Game - Vayse to Face with Joseph Matheny
Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon: The Untold Story of Lovecraft's Stolen Grimoire by Simon - Goodreads
Ong's Hat
Sekret Machines by Tom DeLonge and Peter Levenda - Goodreads
Penny Royal Podcast
The Collins Elite/Final Events - Wikipedia
Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia
Helena Blavatsky - Wikipedia
Anton LaVey - Wikipedia
Brandon Sanderson - Wikipedia
Hellier - Youtube
Hyperstition - Wikipedia
ARG - Wikipedia
Kayfabe - Wikipedia
LARPing - Wikipedia
Andrew Collins
Synchronicity - Wikipedia
Cosmic Trigger - Wikipedia
Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia
Chapel Perilous - Wikipedia
JFK Assassination - Wikipedia
AP Strange
Steph Quick
Rob Reiner - Who Killed JFK? Podcast
Occam's Razor - Wikipedia
Capitalism - Wikipedia
MrBeast - Wikipedia
Extraterrestrial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Psychosocial UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
VYS0054 | You Can't Make An Omelette Without Breaking A Few Egregores - Vayse to Face with Joshua Cutchin
Joshua Cutchin
Demonic UFO hypothesis - Wikipedia
Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Diamond Sutra - Wikipedia
Mayahna
Buddhism and Quantum Mechanics by Michael Behrens - Sience and Non-Duality
Reality in Buddhism - Wikipedia
The Matrix
The Matrix Trailer - Youtube
UFO of God: The Extraordinary True Story of Chris Bledsoe by Chris Bledsoe
Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia
Steven M. Greer - Wikipedia
Meditation - Wikipedia
Flow State - Wikipedia
Mindfulness - Wikipedia
Elon Musk - Wikipedia
Jeff Bezos - Wikipedia
Count to a Billion (How I began to grasp the atrocity of Musk) by Susan Duerksen - The Jumping Off Place
Amazon Breaks Record For Lobbyist Spending Amid Anti-Union Drive by Jordan Zakarin - perfectunion.us
Predator - Wikipedia
Predator Trailer - Youtube
Saul Hudson (Slash)
Slash by Slash and Anthony Bozza - Goodreads
Philip K Dick - Wikipedia
John Nash - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind by Sylvia Nasar - Goodreads
A Beautiful Mind (Film) - Wikipedia
A Beautiful Mind Trailer - Youtube
Joan of Arc - Wikipedia
The Schizophrenia of Joan of Arc by Clifford Allen
Schizophrenia - Wikipedia
Temperal Lobe Epilepsy - Wikipedia
Focal Seizures - Epilepsy Action (British Epilepsy Association)
living with the rarest form of epilepsy - reddit
Is AI Really Just a Tool? It Could Be Altering How You See Reality by University of Exeter - Sci-tech Daily
Mirage Men - Wikipedia
Mirage Men: An Adventure into Paranoia, Espionage, Psychological Warfare, and UFOs by Mark Pilkington - Goodreads
Mirage Men Trailer - Youtube
VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia
L Ron Hubbard - Wikipedia
L. Ron Hubbard's 5 Most Impressive Lies (Besides Scientology) by Kristi Harrison - Cracked
Carlos Castaneda - Wikipedia
Laurens van der Post - Wikipedia
More myth than man by JDF Jones - The Guardian
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George P. Hansen
Voices for Vaccines - Website which helps de-bunk harmful misinformation about Vaccines
Autism, Vaccines and Immunization - Autism Today - debunking misinformation about the link between childhood autism and vaccines - spoilers: there isn't a link
VYSXXXX | The Real Vayse: Halloween 2024

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The Vayse boys encounter the usual suspects: Lue Elizondo, Christopher Mellon, Eric Davis et al, and some new (to the Vayseverse) recurring characters: Mark Christopher Lee, Avi Loeb and the sinister genetics company Colossal Biosciences.

In this dizzying dance through to June of 2025 there are also highly strange encounters with egg shaped UFOs; wooly mice; twitchy dangling robots; foul mouthed relatives of his holiness the Pope; the wreckages of persistent bullshit-talking dullard, Elon Musk's childish, egotistical, spacefaring ambitions; soldiers on the moon... and some mother-fucking snakes on a mother-fucking plane... (recorded 22 January 2026)

Thanks to Unexplained Mysteries who do incredible work keeping a record of weird news stories and make these Weird Reviews possible.

January 2025

Do Scientists Think That Aliens Exist? - Nature.com
The Drake Equation - Wikipedia
Luis Elizondo - Wikipedia
UFO OF God by Chris Bledsoe - Good Reads
The Whistle Blower, Jake Barber, and the Egg UFO - News Nation
Christopher Mellon - Wikipedia
Doomsday Clock is Set To 89 Seconds to Midnight - The Bulletin
Director David Lynch dies at 78 - BBC News
Figures Walking Above Clouds - ABP Live
Brocken Spectre - Wikipedia

February 2025

Asteroid Collision Predicted - The Independent
SETI 30th Anniversary - The Conversation
Fortean Times
Contact - Wikipedia
X-Files - Wikipedia
Twin Peaks - Wikipedia
Independence Day
Clone Robotics Releases Creepy Video - New Atlas
Hellraiser - Wikipedia
Peru Mummies Have Human Teeth - MSN.com
Belief in the supernatural linked to higher stress and distress levels - News-Medical.net

March 2025

Vast City alleged to have been discovered beneath Giza Pyramids - The Mirror
The Controversial Case of Giza’s “Underground City” - Answers In Genisis
The US government has released the final batch of documents on the assassination of President John F Kennedy (JFK) - BBC News
Ten Findings from the Newly-Released JFK Assassination Records - Centre for Politics
Musk Outlines Ambitious Plan to Send Humans to Mars as Early as 2029
Musk Says First Mission to Mars Will Launch Next Year - BBC News
12 times rockets and spacecraft crashed and burned in 2025 - Space.com
Scientists Working on Making Woolly Mammoths Make Woolly Mice

April 2025

Secretive Russian military satellites release mystery object into orbit - Space.com
Pope Francis Died on 21 April 2025 - BBC News
Prophecy of the Popes - Euro News
What Pope Leo Just Said Shocked the World - Charisma
Pope 'Preparing' for First Contact with Aliens This Year, Says UFO Researcher - Mirror
Pizzagate at the Vatican - NY Mag
“I Confessed Everything Short of Murder” — Pope Leo’s MAGA Brother Bares All - The Letters From Leo
A Researcher Says the First UFO Really Crashed in Italy in 1933. And He Has Evidence - Popular Mechanics
Researchers claim Vatican archives hold UFO secrets - Cath News
Diana Walsh Pasulka - Wikipedia
Scientists Announce Dire Wolf Species Has Been Brought Back From Extinction After 10,000 Years - Time
‘They Didn’t De-extinct Anything’: Can Colossal’s Genetically Engineered Animals Ever Be the Real Thing? - The Guardian
Consortium for Space Genetics - Harvard
Jurassic Park - Wikipedia
KLAS News Reports that Jacques Vallee Has Stated That “Aliens are Killing People” - 8 News Now
Jacques Vallée
George Knapp - Wikipedia
Islanders say they cannot escape mysterious humming - BBC News
Yellowjackets - Wikipedia

May 2025

UAP Congressional Briefing on 1 May 2025 - Orbital Today
Unfortunately Lue’s Photo is Now 100% Officially Debunked
Pentagon’s UAP investigators exploring new options to better track and manage confidential reports - DefenseScoop
Russian tourist leaps to death fleeing ‘ghost’ in Pattaya - The Thaiger
Ghosts in Thai culture - Wikipedia
The New UK Disclosure Group Launches - Journalism.co.uk
Most Songs on a Digital Album - Guinness World Records
Unsold £1m album keeps royalties debate open - BBC News
Robbie Williams Breaks The Beatles' Chart Record - BBC News
The King of UFOs in the News - Raindance
The World’s Tallest Dog Met the World’s Smallest Dog - Smithsonian Mag

June 2025

Senior Army Official: 'We Spoke to a Soldier Astronaut on the Moon' - Mens Journal
25th Anniversary of the First Draft of the Human Genome - BBC News
Futurism reported on the Mystery over the rise of AI-fueled delusions
Man Found with 47 Venomous Vipers in Bag at Mumbai Airport - BBC News
Mumbai Arrest: 47 Venomous Vipers Found in Baggage Stuns Airport Security
Common Slow Worm - Wikipedia

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Kathryn J Preston is an author, investigator and discoverer of the "LaManChe Zodiac", a terrestrial zodiac that is centred around the county that Hine and Buckley grew up in. This interview covers a wide range of topics connected to the LaManChe Zodiac, including the association with ley lines, the possible link to extra-terrestrial intelligences, theories about who or what may have constructed the terrestrial zodiacs and speculation that they may still be here on Earth to this day... Recorded 7 January 2023

Thanks to Lowfold Audio for the use of Shireshead Studio.

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The LaManChe Zodiac by Kathryn J Preston
Lyrics, Limericks & Love by Kathryn J Preston
The Truth About Santa by Kathryn J Preston
Venus Andromeda by Kathryn J Preston
Lawn Soccer (or Garden Football) by Kathryn J Preston

Other Links

Wikipedia Page for Jenny Randles
Wikipedia Page for Katharine Maltwood
Map of the Glastonbury Zodiac
Wikipedia Page for Anglezarke
Wikipedia Page for the International Raëlian Movement
What Magic Is This? - The Occult Influences on Mormonism with Nick Literski
Wikipedia Page for Chorley, Lancashire, UK
Mick Mclaren - head of The Winter Hill Investigation Team, a group who investigate paranormal phenomena in the west Pennine moors around Winter Hill and surrounding towns including Chorley
Article by Calum Russell on the Todmorden UFO case
UFO Sightings in or near Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire, England as reported to the British Ministry of Defence
Wikipedia Page on The Sirius Mystery
The Lacerta Files
Moment of Contact trailer - 2022 Documentary by James Fox about the alleged UFO crash in Varginha, Brazil
Wikipedia page on the Agartha Theory
Wikipedia Page on Richard Shaver
A Spaceman Came Traveling by Chris De Burgh
Wikipedia Page on the Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp
The octopus genome and the evolution of cephalopod neural and morphological novelties - an article from Nature
Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates - article from the BBC
Video of a Crow skiing down a roof
Guardian Article on Dreaming Spiders
Wikipedia Page on John C. Lilly
What Magic Is This? - The Life and Ideas of Wilhelm Reich with Dan Lowe
CIA records on Remote Viewing experiments released as part of a Freedom of Information request
The Old Straight Track : Its Mounds, Beacons, Moats, Sites and Mark Stones by Alfred Watkins
The Ley Hunter's Manual: A Guide to Early Tracks by Alfred Watkins
View Over Atlantis by John Michell
Mysterious Lancashire : Legends and By-Lines of Lancelot's Shire by Philip Rickman
Happy Talk from South Pacific

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