This is the second part of a two part interview - if you haven't yet listened to the first part, give it a listen before you dive into part two.

*You can find part one here: *

VYS0026 | It's a Wand-erful Life - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 1

Thanks to Doug for making it through 3 hours of Vayse interrogation and thanks as always to Keith for the show notes!

In the second part of Hine and Buckley's interview with the indefatigable Douglas Batchelor, creator and host of the luminous What Magic is This? podcast, the dark side is calling. Having explored his guiding principle of positivity and kindness in the previous episode he now explains how his thoughts, philosophies and understanding of magic play out when applied to the spookier side: Hexes, curses, love spells, necromancy, black magic and the left-hand path. Doug also answers some weird questions about ancestor veneration, synchronicity, what books are currently inspiring him and which deadly non-human-entity may be the one that eventually ends each and every one of us... (Recorded 3 August 2023)

Douglas Batchelor/What Magic is This? Links

What Magic is This? website

Douglas/What Magic is This? On Twitter

Douglas/What Magic is This? On Instagram

Douglas/What Magic is This? On YouTube

Douglas/What Magic is This? Facebook

Douglas/What Magic is This? Patreon

VYS0026 | It's a Wand-erful Life - Vayse to Face with Douglas Batchelor Pt. 1

The darker side of magic, and related links

Transubstantiation - Wikipedia page

Curse - Wikipedia page

Curse tablet (tabella defixionis, defixio) - Wikipedia page

Jinx - Wikipedia page

Introduction to Hexes, Jinxes, Curses, Evil Eyes, and Black Magic - what are the differences? - WiccanBrew article

Left hand path and right hand path - Wikipedia page

VYS0021 | Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason

Spirit Box S2 #18 / Peter Hine and Stephen Buckley, Dreams, Nightmares and Pan - this is actually where we discuss magic being self regulating

Love magic - Wikipedia page

When William Shatner told Star Trek fans to ‘get a life’ - UCR article

Sex magic - Wikipedia page

Six Ways: Approaches & Entries for Practical Magic by Aiden Wachter
Servitor (chaos magic) - Wikipedia page

Chaos Magic - Wikipedia page

Sigil - Wikipedia page

Skin-walker - Wikipedia page

Apollo - Wikipedia page

The Chimp Paradox: The Acclaimed Mind Management Programme to Help You Achieve Success, Confidence and Happiness by Prof Steve Peters

The Chimp Paradox Explained - Student Aspect article

Cyprian and Justina - Wikipedia page

Animism - Wikipedia page

Animism with Gordon White - What Magic is This? episode

Spirits with Aidan Wachter - What Magic is This? episode

Necromancy, Nigromancy, Black Magic, and related links

Necromancy - Wikipedia page

Necromancy - What Magic is This? episode

Lucifer - Wikipedia page

The Devil - What Magic is This? episode

Hecate - Wikipedia page

Sorcery (goetia) - Wikipedia page

Goetia - What Magic is This? episode

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa - Wikipedia page

Nigromancy in the Later Middle Ages - Inquiries Journal article

Black magic - Wikipedia page

Bone Magick: Using Bones, Fangs, Feathers, Claws, and Shells in Animal Magick and Ancestor Workby Radiana Pit - The Old Craft article

Graveyard magick: A Witch’s guide, Grove and Grotto article

Key of Solomon, Wikipedia page

An Introduction to Solomonic Magic with Alexander Eth of Glitch Bottle Podcast - What Magic is This? episode

Evocation - Wikipedia page

Grimoire - Wikipedia page

Grimoires with Alexander Cummins - What Magic is This? episode

How To Read Grimoires - What Magic is This? episode

Divination - Wikipedia page

Ars Goetia - Wikipedia page

History of Chinese immigration to Canada - Wikipedia page

Jake Stratton-Kent - Goodreads page

Eulogy for a Necromancer (Jake Stratton-Kent) - Scarlet Imprint article

Eschatology - Wikipedia page

Gary from accounting (short film)

Asking advice from ancestor spirits, magical thinking, and related links

Veneration of the dead - Wikipedia page

Tao Te Ching (Dao De Jing) - Wikipedia page

Kenneth Grant - Wikipedia page

The Magical Revival by Kenneth Grant

Paul Weston's Website

VYS0023 | Mercurial, Mutable, Mysterious Something - Vayse to Face with Paul Weston

Glastonbury - Wikipedia page

Aldous Huxley - Wikipedia page

The Doors of Perception - Wikipedia page

Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia page

John Keel, Wikipedia page

Synchronicity - Wikipedia page

A Brief Introduction to Indigenous Epistemology and Unconscious Learning - The Pub article

Shamanism - Wikipedia page

Douglas’ recommendations and related links

Cosmic Trigger Vol. I: Final Secret of the Illuminati by Robert Anton Wilson

Will Storr Vs the Supernatural: One Man's Search for the Truth About Ghosts by Will Storr

Edith Hamilton - Wikipedia page

Mythology: Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes by Edith Hamilton

Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics by Chris Carter

Jeffrey Kripal - Wikipedia page

The Luminous Mind of Jeffrey Kripal - What Magic is This? episode

The Return of Jeffrey Kripal - 100th episode - What Magic is This? episode

Jack Hunter’s website

Spiritualism & Spirit Mediumship with Jack Hunter - What Magic is This? episode

Joshua Cutchin’s Website

Fairies, UFOs & Aliens with Joshua Cutchin, What Magic is This? episode

VYS0020 | Messages of Deception - Vayse to Face with Mark Pilkington

Mirage Men: A Journey into Disinformation, Paranoia and UFO by Mark Pilkington

Mirage Men Documentary

Of all the magicians and wizards ever, fictional and non-fictional, who would Douglas most like to have on What Magic is This? - related links

Gandalf - Wikipedia page

Yoda - Wikipedia page

John Dee - Wikipedia page

Dr John Dee's Spiritual Diary 1583-1608 : Second Edition by Dr Stephen Skinner

John Dee's Five Books of Mystery: Original Sourcebook of Enochian Magic by Joe Peterson

Tom Bombadil - Wikipedia page

Genius loci - Wikipedia page

J. R. R. Tolkien - Wikipedia page

A Tolkien Bestiary by David Day

The Tolkien Trail - Website

Special Section: Killer cows and related links

How Many People Are Killed by Cows Each Year - World Animal Foundation article

Cows officially the most deadly large animals in Britain - Independent article from 2015

The 13 Most Dangerous Animals in the UK: Statistics to Know In 2023 - Pet Keen article

When cows attack - Killer Cows article

Tabanidae (Horseflies) - Wikipedia page - Absolute Bastards

Special Guest: Douglas Batchelor.

Hine and Buckley are back for the first episode of season 2 and they've brought Douglas Batchelor along with them! Doug is the host and creator of the incomparable What Magic is This? - a podcast about Magic, the Occult, the Esoteric, the Paranormal, the Supernatural and the Weird and surely the single most frequently mentioned magical resource throughout the first season of Vayse. In the first part of this two-part, slightly giddy interview, the roots of Doug's magical life are revealed as he talks about how he graduated from being a disillusioned materialist teenager to a punk-rock chaos magician to a self-styled-necromantic-performative-ritual-magician with an awesome occult podcast. The conversation bounces around: from synchronicities to Bob Ross, from how to start your own magical practice to Hot Wheels skating gear, from podcasting as a work of magic to the psychic influence of the Lost Boys soundtrack... and all whilst Hine and Buckley try their best to uncover and assimilate the source of Doug's seemingly inexhaustible enthusiasm and positivity... Recorded 3 August 2023

Big thanks go to Doug for being so generous with his time and enthusiastic with sharing his knowledge - we were not expecting for this to be a double episode!!! And thanks as always to Keith for the show notes! Give Keith a follow on Twitter @peak_flow for electronic music and weird stuff.

Douglas Batchelor/What Magic is This? Links

What Magic is This? website

Douglas/What Magic is This? On Twitter

Douglas/What Magic is This? On Instagram

Douglas/What Magic is This? On YouTube

Douglas/What Magic is This? Facebook

Douglas/What Magic is This? Patreon

Buckley and Hine’s introductory stories - related links

Carl Sagan’s Cosmos - Wikipedia page

Bob Ross - Wikipedia page

Surfskating - Wikipedia page

Hot Wheels - Wikipedia page

The Lost Boys Trailer

The Lost Boys (film) - Wikipedia page

The Lost Boys Soundtrack

The Lost Boys Soundtrack

VYS0003 | Welcome to Vayse: Population (first released episode)

Selected topics and people featured on What Magic Is This? Links

Chaos Magic, Wikipedia page

Chaos Magic Part I - What Magic Is This? episode

Chaos Magic Part II - What Magic Is This? episode

Sigil - Wikipedia page

Sigils - What Magic is This? episode

The Lesser Key of Solomon on Sacred Texts

The Lesser Key of Solomon edited by Joseph H Peterson

Lesser Key of Solomon/Ars Goetia - Wikipedia page

Goetia - What Magic is This? Episode

Greek Magical Papyri - Wikipedia page

The Greek Magical Papyri In Translation on the Internet Archive

The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Volume I: Texts by Hans Dieter Betz

The Greek Magical Papyri - What Magic is This? episode

I Ching, Wikipedia page

I Ching - Wilhelm/Baynes

I Ching or Book of Changes: Ancient Chinese wisdom to inspire and enlighten - Wilhelm/Baynes Translation 3rd Edition

The I Ching with Dan Lowe - What Magic is This? episode

Ouija - Wikipedia page

Ouija - What Magic is This? episode

Aidan Wachter's website

Spirits with Aiden Wachter - What Magic is This? episode

Gary Lachman's website

The Ever-Evolving Consciousness of Gary Lachman - What Magic is This? episode

Jack Hunter's website

Spiritualism & Spirit Mediumship with Jack Hunter - What Magic is This? episode

Joshua Cutchin's website

Fairies, UFOs, Aliens with Joshua Cutchin - What Magic is This? episode

Alexander Cummins' website

Grimoires with Alexander Cummins, What Magic is This? episode

Jeffrey Kripal's website

The Luminous Mind of Jeffrey Kripal - What Magic is This? episode

The Return Of Jeffrey Kripal – 100th Episode! - What Magic is This? episode

What Magic is This? as tutorial/opinion - related links

Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page

Aleister Crowley – His Life and Ideas with Richard Kaczynski - What Magic is This? episode

Aleister Crowley – The Myth and the New Aeon with Richard T. Cole - What Magic is This? episode

Aleister Crowley – My Beastly Thoughts - What Magic is This? episode

Charles Fort - Wikipedia page

Charles Fort - What Magic is This? episode

Fort's 'Measurement Of A Circle' - Forteana.org forum discussion

Occultism - Wikipedia page

Occultism with Mitch Horowitz - What Magic is This? episode

The Art of Storytelling in Non-Fiction - Reedsy Live article

Colin Wilson - Wikipedia page

Colin Wilson - What Magic is This? episode

Carl Jung - Wikipedia page

Carl Jung - What Magic is This? episode

Consensus reality - Wikipedia page

Douglas’ early interest in magic and weird stuff - related links

Calgary, Alberta - Wikipedia page

Indigenous peoples in Canada - Wikipedia page

Animism - Wikipedia page

Greek Mythology - Wikipedia page

J. R.R. Tolkien - Wikipedia page

Mysteries of the Unknown books - Wikipedia page

The Search for the Lost Lemon Mine, CIM Magazine article

Robert W. Service (poet) - Wikipedia page

John E Douglas - Wikipedia page

Carl Jung - Wikipedia page

Robertson Davies - Wikipedia page

Herman Hesse - Wikipedia page

Siddhartha (novel) - Wikipedia page

Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse

Steppenwolf (novel) - Wikipedia page

Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse

Disinformation TV series and related links

Video rental shop - Wikipedia page

Disinformation (TV series) - Wikipedia page

DisInfoTV - clips from the show

Disinformation: The Complete Series, DVD review

Book of Lies: The Disinformation Guide to Magick and the Occult - edited by Richard Metzger

Richard Metzger's "DisinfoCon 2000" (feat. Robert Anton Wilson, Kenneth Anger, et al.) - video (3.5 hrs approx.)

Richard Metzger - Wikipedia page

Disinformation (company) - Wikipedia page

Joe Coleman (painter) - Wikipedia page

Kenneth Anger - Wikipedia page

Douglas Rushkoff - Wikipedia page

Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia page

Genesis P-Orridge - Wikipedia page

Nevill Drury - Wikipedia page

Allen Greenfield on Twitter

Grant Morrison and related links

Grant Morrison - Wikipedia page

Grant Morrison on Chaos Magic, the occult & Sigil creation (from DisInfoCon 2000) - video (45 mins approx.)

Pop Magic by Grant Morrison

Chaos Magic - Wikipedia page

Sigil - Wikipedia page

The Magic Mind of Grant Morrison -What Magic is This? episode

Douglas’ magical practice and related links

Unforeseen Interlude: How I Started in Magic - What Magic is This? episode

Ceremonial Magic - Wikipedia page

VYS0012 - Order Out of Chaos - Vayse to Face with Mark Vincent

Treadwell’s Books - website

Models of Magic - Spiral Nature article

Peter J Carroll - Wikipedia page

Phil Hine - Wikipedia page

Austin Osman Spare - Wikipedia page

Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn - Wikipedia page

Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page

Hermetic Qabala - Wikipedia page

Egregore - Wikipedia page

Servitor (chaos magic) - Wikipedia page

Edmonton, Alberta - Wikipedia page

Chaos Magick vs ceremonial and others - Reddit thread

Greek Magical Papyri - Wikipedia page

Cunning folk - Wikipedia page

Cunning Folk with Aerinn Hodges - What Magic is This? Episode

The Great Work - Wikipedia page

Alan Moore and related links

Alan Moore - Wikipedia page

V for Vendetta (graphic novel) - Wikipedia page

V for Vendetta by Alan Moore

Watchmen (comic book series) - Wikipedia page

Watchmen by Alan Moore

Promethea (comic book series) - Wikipedia page

Promethea: The Deluxe Edition Book One by Alan Moore

Alan Moore interview - Mustard magazine

The Marvellous Magical World of Alan Moore - What Magic is This? episode

Starting a magical practice / Protection Magic / Dreams / Precognition and related links

How to Start Doing Magic - What Magic is This? episode

The Imagination - What Magic is This? episode

What Magic is This? The Dirt episodes (some previews only, full access requires sign up to the Patreon)

George Carlin - Wikipedia page

Protection Magic - Green Witch Farm article

Psi and Science - Psychology Today article

Dreams - What Magic is This? episode

Lucid Dreaming - What Magic is This? episode

Precognition - Wikipedia page

Is Precognition Real? Cornell University Lab Releases Powerful New Evidence that the Human Mind can Perceive the Future - H Plus magazine article (2010-2011)

Hildegard of Bingen - Wikipedia page

Spiritual Cleansing: Your Guide to Cleansing Rituals and Methods, Otherworldly Oracle article

Eric Wargo / Coincidence / Synchronicity and related links

Eric Wargo's website

Time Loops: Precognition, Retrocausation, and the Unconscious by Eric Wargo

Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self: Interpreting Messages from Your Future by Eric Wargo

Coincidence & Synchronicity - What Magic is This? episode

The Timely Ideas of Eric Wargo - What Magic is This? episode

Maslow’s hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia page

Peak experience - Wikipedia page

Publication bias (aka file-drawer effect) - Wikipedia page

Is Death an Illusion? Evidence Suggests Death Isn’t the End, Psychology Today article

Douglas asks Hine and Buckley why Vayse exists - related links

Ultra-terrestrial hypothesis

Ultra-terrestrial Models, by H.E. Puthoff, article from The Journal of Cosmology

Ghost hunting - Wikipedia page

VYS0021 - Song of the Dark Man - Vayse to Face with Darragh Mason

Folie à deux - Wikipedia page

Mid-life crisis - Wikipedia page

Pennyroyal podcast website

Hellier (TV Series) - Wikipedia page

Hellier Season 1: Episode 1 | The Midnight Children

Spirit house - Wikipedia page

2000AD (Comics)

Boo Cook - Wikipedia page

Tweet by Vayse showing Boo's incredible Artwork

Meet the Void Runners - 2000AD article

Animism - Wikipedia page

Douglas’ positivity and related links

Thelema - Wikipedia page

Thoth Tarot - Wikipedia page

Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia page

Carl Sagan - Wikipedia page

Cosmos: A Personal Voyage - Wikipedia page

James Burke (science historian) - Wikipedia page

Connections (British TV Series) - Wikipedia page

Robert Anton Wilson - Wikipedia page

The Tools by Phil Stutz and Barry Michels

Ed Sheeran - Wikipedia page

Karma - Wikipedia page

Garth Ennis - Wikipedia page

Preacher (comics) - Wikipedia page

Classic Frames from Preacher - words by Garth Ennis, art by Steve Dillon

Special Guest: Douglas Batchelor.